Comments on: Paying users of social networks. http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/ Adapt or die - by Markus Frind CEO of Plentyoffish.com Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:13:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Does reputation have a price sticker? — Shooting at Bubbles http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-113652 Does reputation have a price sticker? — Shooting at Bubbles Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:48:59 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-113652 [...] a job offer - come post for us and get paid for your time (you can read more about this here, here, here and [...] [...] a job offer – come post for us and get paid for your time (you can read more about this here, here, here and [...]

]]> By: automotive floor jack http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-113370 automotive floor jack Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:26:36 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-113370 I must say, that I can not agree with you in 100%, but that's just my opinion, which indeed could be wrong. p.s. You have an awesome template for your blog. Where did you find it? I must say, that I can not agree with you in 100%, but that’s just my opinion, which indeed could be wrong.
p.s. You have an awesome template for your blog. Where did you find it?

]]> By: NEW SITE GETS BANNED FROM DIGG WITHIN 6 DAYS - Steve http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-22650 NEW SITE GETS BANNED FROM DIGG WITHIN 6 DAYS - Steve Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:17:08 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-22650 Digg.com is getting cocky and banning small web sites just because digg’s users submit them to digg and digg’s moderators don’t like it. Scifidigg.com is the latest victim of Digg’s “We are big, you are small and we can do whatever we want” attitude. First some background. After running the website Scifi2u.com for the last year we realised there was a demand for a scifi digg type website – 6 Days ago ScifiDigg.com was born and is powered by open source Pligg and the YouTube API. So what went wrong? The site went live on the 22 March 2007. People submitted stories and video links to digg and other sites del.icio.us, Yahoo, Simply and Reddit. Having a submit button makes submitting very easy and fast but that could be a problem. Let’s get to the point WITHIN 6 DAYS THE SITE HAS BEEN BANNED FROM DIGG Digg’s moderators decided that since the link pointed to my site and the posts are mainly videos from YouTube ScifiDigg should be banned from digg and no other links from scifidigg.com can be posted to digg. Digg’s response I contacted digg to find out what happened and why they blocked my site. The response I got from them was that my site violated their terms of use, by copying another site. I explained to them that although the video is streamed by YouTube we give the facility for original coments to be added. The response I got was that they do not allow sites that copy other sites to be submitted to digg. I told them that according to their rules they should also ban Yahoo news, since it does not have an original content but republish articles from PCWorld, Reuters, MACWorld and others. Also falls under this category other major sites like neowin.net, blink.nu and many more that are doing exactly the same infact they should ban YouTube because the video content is often copied from other video websites. But hey, they are big sites and digg can’t pick on them without repercussion, like they can pick on small blogs that try to establish themselves. So what have we learned? · Digg’s users don’t really determine what gets promoted, but digg’s moderators do. · Digg have a different set of rules for small site and different rules for big sites, even though both are doing the same. · Digg will ban a small site just because one of its user’s submitted an article that other digg members liked and promoted, but moderator didn’t like the link. · Digg will not listen to reason when told that the site did not violate its TOS. I am going to create a Digg.com clone http://www.BannedDigg.com Watch this space!!! Digg.com is getting cocky and banning small web sites just because digg’s users submit them to digg and digg’s moderators don’t like it. Scifidigg.com is the latest victim of Digg’s “We are big, you are small and we can do whatever we want” attitude.
First some background.
After running the website Scifi2u.com for the last year we realised there was a demand for a scifi digg type website – 6 Days ago ScifiDigg.com was born and is powered by open source Pligg and the YouTube API.
So what went wrong?
The site went live on the 22 March 2007. People submitted stories and video links to digg and other sites del.icio.us, Yahoo, Simply and Reddit. Having a submit button makes submitting very easy and fast but that could be a problem.
Let’s get to the point
WITHIN 6 DAYS THE SITE HAS BEEN BANNED FROM DIGG
Digg’s moderators decided that since the link pointed to my site and the posts are mainly videos from YouTube ScifiDigg should be banned from digg and no other links from scifidigg.com can be posted to digg.
Digg’s response
I contacted digg to find out what happened and why they blocked my site. The response I got from them was that my site violated their terms of use, by copying another site. I explained to them that although the video is streamed by YouTube we give the facility for original coments to be added.
The response I got was that they do not allow sites that copy other sites to be submitted to digg. I told them that according to their rules they should also ban Yahoo news, since it does not have an original content but republish articles from PCWorld, Reuters, MACWorld and others. Also falls under this category other major sites like neowin.net, blink.nu and many more that are doing exactly the same infact they should ban YouTube because the video content is often copied from other video websites. But hey, they are big sites and digg can’t pick on them without repercussion, like they can pick on small blogs that try to establish themselves.
So what have we learned?
· Digg’s users don’t really determine what gets promoted, but digg’s moderators do.
· Digg have a different set of rules for small site and different rules for big sites, even though both are doing the same.
· Digg will ban a small site just because one of its user’s submitted an article that other digg members liked and promoted, but moderator didn’t like the link.
· Digg will not listen to reason when told that the site did not violate its TOS.

I am going to create a Digg.com clone http://www.BannedDigg.com Watch this space!!!

]]> By: Notes on Paying Users « timtowle http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-6905 Notes on Paying Users « timtowle Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:39:21 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-6905 [...] What are the reasons to pay users? - Give back to your users. Within a community model (after all every site is a COMMUNITY these days), isn’t it churlish not to share the wealth? - Ensure core content. See Mr.Calcanis again, and his 1, 19, 80 rule. - Ensure freshness and quality. - Build content and user base quickly. - Stops user churn, especially of core users. - Competitive advantage/matching competitive offering. Especially when coming from behind [...] [...] What are the reasons to pay users? – Give back to your users. Within a community model (after all every site is a COMMUNITY these days), isn’t it churlish not to share the wealth? – Ensure core content. See Mr.Calcanis again, and his 1, 19, 80 rule. – Ensure freshness and quality. – Build content and user base quickly. – Stops user churn, especially of core users. – Competitive advantage/matching competitive offering. Especially when coming from behind [...]

]]> By: Deep Jive Interests » Beggars and Tyrants: The Rich Irony of Growing and Managing Social Networks http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-6380 Deep Jive Interests » Beggars and Tyrants: The Rich Irony of Growing and Managing Social Networks Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:39:20 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-6380 [...] But every time Kevin Rose, or whoever is running Digg, makes unilateral changes that affect everyone without acknowleding the community that drives Digg, he is snubbing everyone who contributes, large and small. And sends a message, as Markus of Plentyoffish.com points out, that he can do what he wants, when he wants, and whomever he wants to do it too — and that’s his prerogative.  He can (and should) delete, at will, the very core of the People that have built the community that Digg runs on — regardless of what they think, if Kev thinks it best. [...] [...] But every time Kevin Rose, or whoever is running Digg, makes unilateral changes that affect everyone without acknowleding the community that drives Digg, he is snubbing everyone who contributes, large and small. And sends a message, as Markus of Plentyoffish.com points out, that he can do what he wants, when he wants, and whomever he wants to do it too — and that’s his prerogative.  He can (and should) delete, at will, the very core of the People that have built the community that Digg runs on — regardless of what they think, if Kev thinks it best. [...]

]]> By: Digg fights its top users. « The Paradigm Shift http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-5480 Digg fights its top users. « The Paradigm Shift Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:47:22 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-5480 [...] Digg starts fighting its top users,  this is no great surprise as it is exactly what I predicted would happen.   The web 2.0 crowd loves to think that digg is something new and revolutionary but at the end of the day all it is,  is a forum with a different user interface.   Digg like forums before it is still subjected to the same infighting, trolls and instead of thread hijacking you have vote rigging. [...] [...] Digg starts fighting its top users,  this is no great surprise as it is exactly what I predicted would happen.   The web 2.0 crowd loves to think that digg is something new and revolutionary but at the end of the day all it is,  is a forum with a different user interface.   Digg like forums before it is still subjected to the same infighting, trolls and instead of thread hijacking you have vote rigging. [...]

]]> By: WinExtra » Blog Archive » Does reputation have a price sticker? http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-3920 WinExtra » Blog Archive » Does reputation have a price sticker? Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:35:28 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-3920 [...] This first really came to a head when Jason Calacanis over at the revamped Netscape.com raided digg.com for its top posters with what basically amounted to a job offer - come post for us and get paid for your time (you can read more about this here, here, here and here). [...] [...] This first really came to a head when Jason Calacanis over at the revamped Netscape.com raided digg.com for its top posters with what basically amounted to a job offer – come post for us and get paid for your time (you can read more about this here, here, here and here). [...]

]]> By: On.. Paying for users and moneytising the web. « BuzzSort http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2560 On.. Paying for users and moneytising the web. « BuzzSort Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:45:23 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2560 [...] I’m not one of those people that looks backwards too much, however I’m one of those people that longs for the time when money wasn’t such an equation on the web. People built websites because they wanted to, rather than looking at what Google Adwords paid the most. Up until recently the best thing about the webs current configuration and focus was the fact that community driven sites like del.icio.us, digg.com, wikipedia etc. were all doing it because they felt compelled to. However as has been reported widely, Netscape.com has changed that by taking Digg’s top posters and paying them to contribute to Netscape.com. [...] [...] I’m not one of those people that looks backwards too much, however I’m one of those people that longs for the time when money wasn’t such an equation on the web. People built websites because they wanted to, rather than looking at what Google Adwords paid the most. Up until recently the best thing about the webs current configuration and focus was the fact that community driven sites like del.icio.us, digg.com, wikipedia etc. were all doing it because they felt compelled to. However as has been reported widely, Netscape.com has changed that by taking Digg’s top posters and paying them to contribute to Netscape.com. [...]

]]> By: Stephen Sclafani http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2545 Stephen Sclafani Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:55:02 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2545 Good points Markus. Another example is YouTube and Revver. It wouldn't make any sense for YouTube to start paying people now but makes perfect sense for Revver. Good points Markus. Another example is YouTube and Revver. It wouldn’t make any sense for YouTube to start paying people now but makes perfect sense for Revver.

]]> By: M. http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2534 M. Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:09:53 +0000 http://plentyoffish.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/paying-users-of-social-networks/#comment-2534 Actually, my mistake: Reading Jason's post again, he doesn't actually say they've doubled page views. He says they've had more votes and stories submitted in the past week than before... His post is strictly about how other critics are interpreting his move to pay top users. Which again calls into question the real long-term success of the idea. Actually, my mistake: Reading Jason’s post again, he doesn’t actually say they’ve doubled page views. He says they’ve had more votes and stories submitted in the past week than before… His post is strictly about how other critics are interpreting his move to pay top users.

Which again calls into question the real long-term success of the idea.

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